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Breaststroke - Timing Underwater Dolphin

Posted by Glenn Mills on Feb 15, 2011 08:32AM (9,980 views)

Ever since the initiation of the dolphin kick in the underwater pull, there have been discussions about when the dolphin kick should come in.  Here's a quick variation of what we're seeing more and more of.

First, this is the most important part... staying legal, which is why we're presenting this.  Here is what the 2011 USA Swimming Rule Book states concerning the underwater dolphin:  

"After the start and each turn, a single butterfly kick, which must be followed by a breaststroke kick, is permitted during or at the completion of the first arm pull."

What this single line means is... the hands must be pulling first, then at any point after that, the dolphin kick can be used.

How to do it:
1)
 A typical underwater dolphin is used when the arms are deep into the pull.
2)  However, the most common move in all other strokes is to push off, then dolphin.
3)  Combining the natural motion, plus following the rules... start with a tight streamline and allow the hands to separate, then proceed to do some dolphin kicks with the hands held just apart.
4)  Now, use the same kick, only this time, after the dolphin kick, pull the hands all the way through.
5)  It's very important after the first dolphin kick, that the legs stay straight and don't perform a second dolphin kick.

How to do it really well (the fine points):
When learning this, some swimmers focus so much on the dolphin kick, that it starts prior to the hands separating... THIS is an illegal underwater pull, with the legs starting the kick prior to the hands separating.  Getting the timing of the start of the pull and the dolphin as closely as possible is the trick here.  Stay legal, and remember, this is just one option for the underwater pull.




Responses

Responded Feb 15, 2011 04:50PM

Good stuff! As a breaststroker myself and coach of a masters team, I've had the opportunity to play with and watch the timing of the dolphin kick in the pull down. I have swimmers who place it as you describe in points 3 & 4 and that works okay. For me personally, I believe that the most "bang for the buck" on the dolphin kick comes when I time the finish of my dolphin kick with my hands finishing their sweep under my body. (This will be covered in an article I am writing for USMS SWIMMER magazine.) Many swimmers want to place it up front. As you point out, that is what we are used to doing when we streamline dolphin kick into a freestyle or butterfly breakout. The danger is making sure your hands have separated before initiating the kick. Start that kick a little too early and risk a DQ. By placing it on the back end, no risk and some pretty good "oomph". Try both ways and find out what works best for you!

Responded Feb 15, 2011 04:54PM

Yep... we've covered the standard way multiple times on the site, so this is the option for the other end. Do remember, however, if it's close, the officials can't call it... or at least if there's a question, they're not supposed to. We all know different though, so safety is of utmost importance. In my experience, the bigger the meet, the more lenient the officials are... so if you're swimming in the Olympics... go for it. If you're swimming at a local meet... BE CAREFUL. :)

Responded Feb 15, 2011 05:10PM

First post in two years! I had to comment on this, since I recently took my breaststroke group at practice and "blew their minds" by telling them to change the timing of their fly kick underwater. I am a FIRM believer that it is way better to throw the kick as early as legally possible, like you said, its borderline illegal.....for a reason. My theory, if your not cheating (or coming close to it) your not trying. My older kids liked that sentiment, but knew I was sort of kidding. The reason why this can be beneficial, in my eyes, is drag reduction, which is significantly more important off the walls than production of powerful motions......Take the butterfly kick for example, finding the right amplitude is half the battle. A kick too big increases drag more than the extra power will help you.
Back to the pullout, too many kids took the addition of the fly kick to the extreme, and wiggle WAY too much when doing it, trying so hard to get the most power possible, not worrying about how it KILLS your alignment. In the video above, Glenn is able to get the benefit of the fly kick, then pulling down with a nice straight back.....looks good to me!

Coach Mark

Responded Feb 15, 2011 05:15PM

Welcome back to the posting side Mark. I'll try to find those fine lines more often. :)

Responded Feb 15, 2011 08:16PM

My coach (the Dad) tells us that if you do this well...it can help you to get a bit more to the surfase if your start was to deep...but never to hold on the kick...use it,....use it...guess he's right????

Responded Feb 17, 2011 05:59PM

Excellent video!!

Responded Feb 18, 2011 02:40PM

Sorry, I mean film lol...

Responded Feb 18, 2011 02:44PM

:) Hi James. Either way is fine. :)

Responded Feb 18, 2011 06:46PM

Thank you for this video. I've always wondered how to time the kick to the stroke. Now just to coordinate it together.

Responded Feb 24, 2011 05:48PM

Our coaching staff has been trying to decide which technique is better as a whole. A) Initiate the arm stroke then dolphin kick or B) Finish the pull with the kick at the end. Since I was trained to do without when I swim it feels quite awkward to do a dolphin kick. Thanks for the video!

Responded Feb 24, 2011 05:59PM

I'm with you Greg on the old school... but we have to figure it out right? Just trying to give some options. Thanks for posting.

Responded Feb 28, 2011 06:34PM

I do think it comes more naturally at the end of the pull to most kids though, since its sort of the same type of timing as regular butterfly, extending the arms back with the quick kick out of the water. But alot of my kids do feel faster doing it up front.
I had to learn this at the end of my swimming career. I was never a serious breaststroker, and only swam the 100 breast as a goof to see what my time could be. I remember dropping 3-4 seconds when that fly kick became illegal. And to be honest, I think everybody can admit to cheating in practice and doing it before it came legal.

Responded Jul 26, 2011 03:21PM

I just got DQd this weekend and i broke the meet record!!! :( but this video really helped. Thanks a lot Glenn!

Responded Jul 26, 2011 03:45PM

Wait... are you saying you got DQ'd after watching the video, or before it?

Responded Dec 19, 2011 05:05AM

I'm 16 and swim a 1:09.08 100meter breast and I don't do a dolphin kick at all because I feel like it messes up my streamline and body position when I reach the surface. But, I didn't know you could do it this way I thought it had to be a continuous motion through the body.(if you know what I mean) So, what I'm wondering is do you think my time will go down if I do a dolphin kick. And if so how much time should I expect to shave?

Responded Dec 19, 2011 12:28PM

That all depends on how good you get at it. Let's say it's 5/10ths of a second... is it worth it?


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